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Speaker 5 | 09:44
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Speaker 6 | 10:10
We have everyone.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 10:13
Good morning everyone, welcome back. We are here to start and hopefully finish as quickly as possible the technical evaluation and technical side of the Power Expectations PPG project. We have the MA team with us here today. They feel free, obviously, to take this time that we are here to resolve any questions that may arise. We want to get this well, we've been trying to get this project running since May and we're still here in November, so we want to get done as quickly as possible.
So I really hope that everything can get resolved and any answers that Loom, any questions that MA has regarding the project, didn't get resolved today or could get resolved in the next couple of days.
Fabian Velez | 11:08
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 11:18
Okay. So having that said, Thomas, do you I know that there is a change there's changes in the project.
Speaker 6 | 11:33
There's some changes in the generation mix. But as far as the interconnection points, they're the same as what we've been discussing, so we can go over that.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 11:44
Okay, so do you want to present them to.
Speaker 6 | 11:48
Sorry. Actually, George and Jason will be presenting that from our side. If we share one line and layouts, you guys can see that, correct?
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 11:58
Yes.
Speaker 6 | 11:59
Okay, George, do you want to give an introduction on the higher level of what we're doing, and then Jason, you could...? I'm sorry, are we ready to go or not go?
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 12:10
So let's go through introductions first, the chat, and then we'll go to everybody in the room. Okay? So I'm Migo Garcia, I represent the three Bdeo technical side. I am here to oversee the project in the procurement process of this temporary generation project. I am joined by Fabian, which is our manager and power advocate. Manager one, yes, good morning.
Fabian Velez | 12:41
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 12:48
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Speaker 4 | 12:57
Good morning, everyone. Ta Rosa, transmission planning manager with Luma. Kevin, morning. Kevin Consules, the transmission planner.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 13:09
From Luma, right? Carlo Ramos.
Speaker 4 | 13:14
Good morning. Carlo Ramos from the Transmission Line Engineering MA.
Speaker 5 | 13:23
Good morning. If I can get off, good morning today. Marcella Ferrara is the project manager for Luma. Mark I.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 13:37
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Speaker 2 | 13:38
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Speaker 6 | 13:42
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 13:55
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Speaker 7 | 14:06
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 14:11
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Speaker 8 | 14:21
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Speaker 9 | 14:31
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 14:35
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Speaker 9 | 14:37
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 14:42
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Speaker 10 | 15:05
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Speaker 11 | 15:16
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 15:23
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Speaker 6 | 15:29
Morning and Bill Gannon, the Transmission Distribution Engineering VP.
Fabian Velez | 15:34
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 15:37
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 15:46
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Speaker 2 | 15:57
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Speaker 13 | 16:05
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 16:18
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Speaker 14 | 16:50
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 16:50
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Speaker 6 | 16:59
All right, thanks, Miguel, and good morning everyone. I guess I should be there and getting breakfast that Miguel's going to serve shortly. So if everybody behaves, I think what I'd like to do is turn this over to George and Jason, and they're going to... George, if you could go through some of the higher-level concepts and then Jason, if you could just walk through the actual integration points and how that's happening from a one-line perspective.
Speaker 7 | 17:31
Yeah. Good morning, everybody. So it's been a minute since we've discussed this, so we'll go over the generation of a Gary. We're planning to integrate 278 in Chanton Rock, ERT 500 for a total of 100 MW. One SGG 800 for 50 MW.
Then 8 TM 2005 hundreds for 250 MW, giving a 400 MW total. Then, on the layout, the way we plan to do that here is we'll have a chain of Rockyard arranged with eight groups. Right here, we've got a SGG 800 turban here. This section will step up to 2045 and be carried over to the secondary side of the existing unit.
Fabian Velez | 18:18
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Speaker 7 | 18:21
One transformer.
Then, the TM 2005 hundreds will be arranged over here, and they'll go directly into the second area of 200 MW at 13.2. That's kind of the planned cycle total in the 400 MW. They'll all be fueled by natural gas at this offloading station point right here.
That, in general, is the layout. Any questions on the layout? I think we've seen a lot of variations of this over the drone. I think this is the latest here, Gary.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 19:03
And of course, we have to check on the layout. I believe the last time we were in a GE rate, I think we're number two and number six slide. They were building something.
Speaker 12 | 19:16
That could light out on the side of.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 19:18
Yeah, they're building something there. So, we have, there's definitely enough space there that we can make sure that they fit.
Fabian Velez | 19:24
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 19:27
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Fabian Velez | 19:27
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Speaker 7 | 19:27
It down to this area here.
Speaker 2 | 19:29
Yeah, exactly.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 19:31
But I believe there is something some.
Speaker 7 | 19:34
Yeah, this is purely pictorial, this. You know, once we get into the nitty-gritty and get the surveys and everything, this arrangement will change slightly, I'm sure. Gary, you have your hand up.
Speaker 11 | 19:45
Yes, you mentioned that the fuel is going to be natural gas. How... If that can be disclosed, how that's going to happen?
Speaker 7 | 19:54
Yeah. We'll have a delivery station here where it'll be brought in via truck.
Speaker 11 | 20:01
Okay, so you will have a DR in process with, I imagine, a small evaporator system and a preserve tank for that purpose.
Speaker 6 | 20:14
And you want to just a second, Eddie? Do you want to talk about that a little bit?
Speaker 2 | 20:18
Yes. So, we've considered the FSRU, but we are putting a tank system there, and we are trucking right now. We're currently working on another operation, and you have a pull-up where FSRUs are going to be involved. Now, the Gary S we have environmental impact studies being done right now because we know that is a sanctuary or, wetlands.
So we are building right now in Texas. FS are used that don't discharge any water or change the temperature of the water in that area, so that is something that we're ready to start.
Fabian Velez | 21:01
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mgarcia@recomspr.net | 21:02
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Speaker 2 | 21:06
Yes. Dave, we understand the layout there. We have one of the best environmental people in the United States writing a report right now on anything that's endangered in that area.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 21:21
Okay, so just to take into consideration, basically for IE, right, take a page of what they do now with the barges. Yeah, that is out that you have. Yeah, so you would have... I think the maximum is around 20. The minimum is around 12 to 15 at some points.
So if you are considering an FSRU to be docked on the... You're considering to be docked on the bay or on the construction, for the construction, dock. yes.
Speaker 2 | 22:02
A construction dock.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 22:03
So you're considering that in a construction document. Do you have a limitation on the width? I don't remember, I think it's like around 70 to 80 feet, specifics, but do consider that any dredging would significantly lower your time.
Speaker 2 | 22:26
Yeah, I know we're taking all those things into consideration right now. Yeah, I'll have a full design of the FSR for you in.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 22:34
Okay, but for now, the plan is to track. Yes, from Boston, yes.
Fabian Velez | 22:39
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Speaker 12 | 22:42
Let me go back again. The connections on the one more time, you got three separate units you're putting in three separate locations.
Fabian Velez | 22:50
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Speaker 12 | 22:50
The one you're going to connect through the MPT on the low side to step up.
Fabian Velez | 22:55
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Speaker 6 | 22:58
Right? And on unit one, you're.
Speaker 7 | 23:01
On unit 1245.
Speaker 12 | 23:04
That's an eyeso bust. How do you feel looking to connect overhead or some different ways.
Fabian Velez | 23:08
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Speaker 7 | 23:11
We'll have to modify that connection and extend that so that we can bring in... We're showing here overhead lines and to connect to that secondary.
Speaker 12 | 23:20
So we would just.
Speaker 7 | 23:22
We would disconnect the existing turban and build a build an extended bus there to tie into on the lower side.
Speaker 12 | 23:29
That's on the transformer. So it's been out of service for a while. So, I'm not sure if you plan to do any testing on the transformers to make sure that there's a cable that goes inside through the plant. That comes up over and over there, right?
Speaker 7 | 23:42
You say that transformer, the 230 side goes underground to the... We'll call it the back side of the plant away from the water.
Fabian Velez | 23:51
[Laughter].
Speaker 7 | 23:54
Let's see if I can show it. Here. I think, right here. Then it goes overhead across the street, if I remember correctly.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 24:01
But it does. Yeah.
Speaker 12 | 24:03
02:30 it's connected to 02:30 Gab yard, correct?
Speaker 7 | 24:07
That correct. So, the assumption right now is that the cable is fine because the generation was in service. But we would definitely have to test that.
Speaker 12 | 24:17
That would be part of your responsibility. I just want to make sure that we would be... As we mentioned, I think the last discussion we had would be the connection point inside the AR because that line is owned by a.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 24:28
Yes so that they would have to coordinate with A because that line is owned by... So it's not going to be our responsibility. That is the change.
Speaker 7 | 24:43
Is the change of ownership? When it goes overhead or when it gets to the substation from Hara to MA.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 24:51
It's at the substation.
Speaker 12 | 24:54
It's is at the substation. It is.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 24:55
The worst. Everything inside the substation is what Luma is responsible for.
Speaker 6 | 25:04
So our understanding from the previous site visits was that basically, there is no room to go directly into the 02:30 KV switch yard and then we would have to interconnect at unit one. So that was the option that was given to us. Now, you're correct. We do not know the current status of that transformer event or any conductors to the transformer on the lower high side.
So, we'll have to test that. That's just what we were given to work with.
Speaker 12 | 25:35
So the other... I thought we talked about you could have your step-up transfer on your own and bring it up to 30 kV off, but I'll leave that up to you.
Speaker 6 | 25:45
But where would we enter for that? We were totally.
Speaker 7 | 25:49
Told there's no bays in the 02:30, and we had to use this method. So, if that changes, obviously, we can pivot roughly. You had a question?
Speaker 10 | 26:00
Yeah, just a quick question. So, the unit one, the transformer, I think we can say, is currently available. I mean, it needs to be validated with Hera, but our understanding, our last discussion with Hera is they're planning to come back online with Unit one in late 2026.
So, let's say maybe 14 months from now, which may require the usage of that transformer. So, is your plan using the transformer for the long term, or is it just until the unit comes back online?
What is the thought process here?
Speaker 7 | 26:42
I mean, we would use it.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 26:46
Yeah, sorry. That really depends on the base we guess we have in 01:15 or 02:30, and I give it... If anything, if we do have space, then maybe routing through the... I'm just saying that the initial plan was to route to the existing transformer because of the emergency and because that unit was going to be off basically for two years.
Speaker 7 | 27:27
If it comes back on, we can pivot. But the intent is to use it as long as it's available. again.
Speaker 10 | 27:34
And why I brought it up because the original plan for the unit was estimated to be about two years of service. These units, their original plan was to have that in service before the end of summer, which has passed.
I understand now it's for a ten-year type of thing. So I'm just thinking that the plan for the short term was a good one for the long term. Questioning if this is the way to go, but I'll leave that up to you. What is the.
Speaker 6 | 28:04
So it's coming back online and it'll continue to use distillate fuel. Or are they going to convert it to natural GAs?
Speaker 10 | 28:14
That would be a question for Hanera.
Speaker 6 | 28:16
Yeah.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 28:16
I think there's no plan for a year because there's not enough fuel. There's not a clear way to get enough fuel to the array to run those big units, Right?
Speaker 6 | 28:31
So as far as getting enough natural gas, Miguel... Or right now, it has the distillate that they need, and I don't remember if that's running on diesel or bunker. I guess bunker, CSO. I'm just trying to figure out if that unit one is going to have a variable cost significantly higher than what we're proposing.
So I would assume that will be taken into account, right? As far as the discussion, does it make sense to displace a lower cost generation unit and bring on a higher cost generation unit?
Right? So, just in general, what we see is the fastest path to affordable power is doing exactly what we're doing. If something comes up later, I'm sure there'll be discussions on what the best path is again to provide the total system capacity at affordable prices. If we get displaced, we'll look at bringing in an independent GSU.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 29:43
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Speaker 10 | 29:46
Sorry. maybe I want to say something. My understanding of this procurement is additional megawatts, not replacement megawatts. So, I get your point, Thomas, that this proposal that you have might potentially be more economical.
We'll have to run numbers, but the concept of it was to bring additional power, not so it could displace the existing one, just for the record.
Speaker 6 | 30:14
So again, if we get this place down the road, we'll adapt to that and again, bring in an independent GSU. We'll have to figure out where that would tie in to the 230kV. If what we're being told is that there's no room, even if at the 230kV, and we can't tie in at Unit 1, then we probably need to find an alternative location, right?
If you're telling me they're willing to be here for six months or eight months, whatever it ends up being. So my sense is that maybe, like you're saying, Miguel, that we don't really know the confidence of Unit 1 coming back. Let's move forward with the current plan of time.
At that point, that's the fastest path to power that is providing incremental capacity to the existing system as it stands. Then we'll adapt as required.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 31:06
Correct That is the plan. As Raphael stated, this project was intentionally to bring additional power. That doesn't mean that after that, let's say after six months of your running, DOMA does calculations and says, "Hey, it doesn't make sense to displace our expectations because you know, they are running more economically, and LUMA's job is to run the most economically."
For now, like you said, for now, this is the plan, this is what.
Speaker 4 | 31:43
We have.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 31:46
Do we have to do more extensive work on the future to see if there is enough room or there is something that could be done to the 230 or 115 to accommodate if that Unit 1 comes online to accommodate your units in a year?
If that doesn't mean... I mean, there's a lot of variables that could come into play. Let's say unit 1 comes online, but unit 2... Let's say it has to go offline for some reason or fix or something like that. It doesn't mean that after 8 months or when it comes online that you're going to get displaced.
That's something we have to talk about.
Speaker 12 | 32:37
But the other thing is if you bring unit one back and there's additional generation with the capacities on the line to handle that, that's what we have to study as well. That's why I said, I think, to make sure that all this generation because I think they're putting 400 MW in unit one. I don't remember if it was 400 MW in one.
So you're adding a lot.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 33:03
The unit is going to be out of service until 2027 or more, or like mid 2027.
Speaker 10 | 33:10
So the information we have from Hanera is December 2026. The unit is expected to come back online again.
Speaker 6 | 33:22
I think we're going to move forward with the current plan, and we'll adapt as required based on the decisions that are made with RAPA and Luma and Hanera. So, yeah.
Speaker 7 | 33:43
Any other questions on the layout?
Speaker 12 | 33:46
Just to confirm again, you're trying. I think you've got three different sets of generators you're putting in there, right? You showed earlier that they're all tied to that 24.5. Stepping up and bringing it to only one point of connection.
Speaker 6 | 33:57
Right.
Speaker 12 | 33:58
If I'm correct.
Speaker 7 | 34:01
So the SGT 800 and the Iraqis are tying into the 2045 of the unit one transformer secondary. The TM 2500 are going into the combined cycle. They produce it at 132, and there's already an existing step-up transformation at the combined cycle.
Speaker 12 | 34:23
So just the same comments on those combined cycles as well. I think you were there. Walk down?
Speaker 7 | 34:29
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 12 | 34:34
I haven't been in service for a while, so that will require some rebuilding on that as well.
Speaker 7 | 34:39
Yeah, 100%. They'll be tested and verified before we put them online.
Speaker 6 | 34:43
We we look at the one line just to... So you guys can see that a little bit more clearly?
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 34:48
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Speaker 7 | 34:50
Sure. So here we're showing the Enchanted Rock groups of Jain and the SGT 800s stepping up from 13.2 to 204.5. The Iraqians are stepping up from 4.5V to 204.5 to join unit one transformer on the secondary.
It's what we're discussing just now. ITops is too far. And then here's the interconnection points at the combined cycle. There's a connection point for 50 MW here on.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 35:25
The still on that, please.
Speaker 12 | 35:27
Can you just analyze it a little bit? Or old guys like me.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 35:31
What's that? You have a big TV, but it's still small and large a little
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Speaker 7 | 35:48
Is that better? Right? So this is the interconnection at the combined cycle. There's a decommissioned turbine here with a 50 MW connection point 13.13.8, and we'll utilize that. Then there is a 100 MW transformation here that we'll use to step up to 230 into the transmission lines.
So this will be where the TM 2500s go to join the grid.
Speaker 12 | 36:21
And you back to previous green 24.5 step up.
Speaker 7 | 36:27
I'm sorry, say that again.
Speaker 12 | 36:29
The previous slide, please.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 36:35
Yeah.
Speaker 12 | 36:37
Is there going to be any breaker installation on a 24 site, which I would consider as on your side of the.
Speaker 7 | 36:46
Yeah. So we have two switch gear here that brings together our groups of generation on both these banks here. So we have four groups on one switch gear and four groups on the other for protection. Then, Jason, correct me if I'm wrong, but the turban has its own protection here.
Speaker 9 | 37:11
Yeah, that's correct. Each one of those would have its own protection. Breaker before we're connecting to the 24, 25 kV bus.
Speaker 12 | 37:21
And the bus is going to be connected directly to the AIS bus or through an overhead system, right? So if anything happens to that overhead, you lose both units.
Speaker 7 | 37:34
Anything happens to this? Yeah, that's correct. Okay.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 37:41
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 | 37:43
How are they protecting the unit one transformer and the step-down transformer from 24kV to KV?
Speaker 9 | 37:54
Say that again. You said 24kV to 13k.
Speaker 4 | 37:58
Yes. How do we plan to protect both?
Speaker 12 | 38:01
And your step-up transformer at 24.5 and the ann transformers. The bigger one.
Speaker 9 | 38:10
It's in the bus. Yeah. We still need to look at the integration points at what we need to do for that interconnection. Wouldn't you see be revised? I think the timeline wouldn't work out for us to try to get a breaker, but if it's required for us to get a breaker, that's something we'll have to look into.
At the time for the time being, we were just looking at the protection points on the 132 side of the 50 MVA transf.
Speaker 4 | 38:39
I made the question because currently you will have three different types of ages in the same system that would require at least one of the breakers to isolate the PT transport.
Speaker 12 | 38:56
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Speaker 7 | 38:58
He re do you have a question?
Speaker 11 | 39:08
Yes. On thisagram. You mentioned that you will install 200 MW of TME 24, 25,000. But you have a connection for only 150 as an output.
Speaker 7 | 39:26
That's right. We were going to ask Chandler for another location to connect to if there was another one of the combined cycle turbines that was down. But at the time we were given 150 here, we can add...
So the maximum unit 1 is 550 MMBtu. We can actually add 50 to that direction if we can't get an additional connection point at the combined cycle.
Speaker 11 | 40:02
Okay, understood. Thank you.
Speaker 7 | 40:11
All right, and then here we're shopping that connection at the combined cycle of the team. 2,500 to the existing bus that's stacked tune.
Speaker 12 | 40:27
I think we'll have to look at the protection for all of them. Yeah, maybe have a separate discussion with the technical guys to make sure that we... Our objective, obviously, is to protect the BOMA system, and I'm sure yours is to make sure that your area is protected as well.
Speaker 7 | 40:42
So, yeah, 100%. We need to get together and coordinate the whole system, but we need to progress the project a little further. We'll get to that.
Speaker 6 | 40:53
And George and Jason, let's just go ahead and update and show another 100 mW of the TME 2500 going to unit one, because we know that can handle a total of 400 mW, and that would be 350. Okay, so we'll update the drawing and then update and then upload it into the portal. Alright.
That way we're not waiting on feedback from Hanera on the additional 100 mW of the combined cycle.
Speaker 7 | 41:26
The Sclair... We'll just move 50 right... 50 of the time you are over.
Speaker 6 | 41:35
Yeah, I guess you could just move... If you're right, you could move 50 hours. Actually, we'll talk about that offline. I think you're going to have to move 100 MW over, but we'll work on that and update it and send it over.
Okay.
Speaker 14 | 41:51
For that additional generation, the combined cycle, how much of that existing infrastructure are you guys planning to use? For example, the step-up ones of those existing ones.
Speaker 7 | 42:01
Yes, there's... We were told there's an abandoned one, which we looked at on the site. Does it have 50 MW here, and then 100 MW step up to 230 KV.
Speaker 11 | 42:16
For that second, for the 100 MW connection, you don't have a transformer right now over there, so you're going to put a new one, one?
Speaker 7 | 42:25
Yeah, we would bring in a transformer there.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 42:28
Okay.
Speaker 6 | 42:29
Thank you.
Speaker 7 | 42:30
We're using that spot. There's a blank spot over there.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 42:34
Okay.
Speaker 4 | 42:35
Got it.
Speaker 14 | 42:37
Is that where the steam generator was?
Speaker 7 | 42:43
So yeah, that's a better answer.
Speaker 11 | 42:45
Better that that's a connection for the steam generator number two connection, that the transformer was used for another unit. All right.
Speaker 12 | 43:02
What else? I think we've mentioned the comments from our perspective to look at all the existing infrastructure to make sure that they're in good shape, including the transformers and whatever else you need to add to it, you add to it.
Then, obviously, you're connecting to the existing foreign connections. That's our kind of protection and break. It's so... Yeah, that's how I look at it. We need to have a separate discussion on our protection and the communication as well.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 43:32
So what do you need from our expectations.
Speaker 12 | 43:37
We probably have to have a trade meeting to sit down with the technical guys and go through the protection scheme. Okay. What if scenarios we had to go through and we make sure we're depending on protected.
Speaker 14 | 43:48
The other thing is that we have currently in progress a Wyle offer project at the KB switcher, and we need to make sure that all projects were online properly on time. So I need to understand that. Okay. Upgrading all the protection and the two KBWER.
Speaker 4 | 44:08
You know that involved the papers that you probably can use to get the output of this generations.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 44:15
Okay, so we'll.
Speaker 12 | 44:17
Just need to coordinate.
Speaker 4 | 44:19
To align itself. So what?
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 44:25
And that's fine. That's something we can work on. Obviously, we want to make this moving forward. We don't want to talk about this something that our expectations can definitely work with you on this project. You don't get storm.
Speaker 12 | 44:45
So maybe from a process perspective, I know you get different people in that. So what's the next step in the overall things they're to be one company is going to be over or you go to multiple company.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 44:58
So the plan is multiple.
Speaker 12 | 45:00
We want to.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 45:02
To be able to diversify different plants, and we're looking for to supply for every year and possibly other sites. So we'll answer that, but for now, their plan is to supply.
Speaker 12 | 45:20
Just right now, for today, discuss it. It's our expectation. Okay.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 45:24
So I guess the big purpose of this meeting is obviously to see if there are not any big red flags. Nothing that says all this can't be done if this doesn't change so we can move the project along. Anything that is small can definitely be moved and worked on as the project starts to evolve and it starts to move on. We want to make sure that everything on the R&M side. I don't only have questions. I see that both sides are going to have questions regarding the project and no projected starts and finishes as it started. Everything here is a project, it's a living entity basically, that's what we always say.
So it changes and evolves during the process. The purpose is we want to move forward, we want to send this to Rita as quickly as possible. But we finish. Then there's the details. The devil is in the details, as I say. Yes.
So the details can be worked on, our expectations. Once that moves along, we can definitely keep having technical meetings, maybe smaller something on the very technical breaker and the protection side, everything that needs to be done before that actually gets put into place and started. That could be done on the way.
Speaker 14 | 47:01
So. talking about process and acknowledging the complexity of this project, too many moving parts, we're going to continue to see. So it's critical to be engaged and integrated during the engineering phase.
So are you guys expecting at some point during that phase to issue designs at different stages? You want to follow the difficult process of 30%, 60%, etc., but that's the expectation.
Speaker 12 | 47:30
Yeah. As I mentioned, the challenges are existing. Using the existing infrastructure is going to be a huge job, and I think for our expectations. So we just got to make sure. Yeah.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 47:39
So, you know, it's not going to be done. All of it's not going to be done in, you know, tomorrow. It's going to be my stages, correct? That's for sure. And that's.
Speaker 14 | 47:47
Why I'm asking the question, because what we don't want is to suddenly be more than.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 47:51
Like, got 60% in every package, right?
Speaker 12 | 47:54
Eighty percent.
Speaker 14 | 47:55
Right? So we want to be.
Speaker 12 | 47:57
Above it all theology way.
Speaker 7 | 48:00
Yeah. We're very comfortable working with the utilities hand in hand throughout the entire process. We don't want to surprise you, and we don't want to get to the end making some assumptions that don't work, so we'll be right there with you the whole time.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 48:16
So has a question.
Speaker 5 | 48:18
Yeah, hi, Miguel, it's Marcella. So, as you're talking, process a couple of things, and I'll stay with what you were just talking about. First, I have like four items. Timeline. What are you talking about now? For the timeline, just general in terms of your expectations for the engineering and then the actual execution assuming once you get the go-ahead, right?
I know you don't know until you get the ahead.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 48:42
Our expectations can correct me on this. Where we're talking about, maybe some units coming on 90 to 100 days, yeah, and then the project would be 150 plus days. Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 48:58
And have procured all of our equipment, everything we have, and we have everything that we need.
Speaker 5 | 49:05
You have everything. So, did that include what you're talking about from the metering and the IT connections and the things that are required to interconnect to the system or your equipment to bring the generation over?
Speaker 2 | 49:19
Yeah, we have all the generation, any transformers, GSUs, anything that we need has been procured. I mean, we've been ready for several months already.
Speaker 4 | 49:30
I have one question. Because there are many connection points that we are going to connect to an existing transformer, and I see that you have many generators now in the equation that wasn't there in the past. You had one generator. The connection point was the two-tab. The synchronizations from the rotation standpoint are at the Now you're going to move that to the 13kV because you're going to have the synchronizer. Each of the gens has its own connection point.
I see that we are not missing anything. But the way you're going to need to protect that transformer needs to change because in the past you had the flow from the 24kV all the way back to the 230kV. Now you're going to have individual generators, and that's where you're going to add transformers like the 50 MVA transformer that you install.
So, saying that, you would probably need, and it's almost a hundred percent sure you will need additional breakers to isolate this small transformer. Or I'll take that transformer individually and have other breakers to isolate the unit one transformer, the main power transformer from your 13kV or your 24kV. Mentioning that I know it's a long-term project and probably you need to order... Or I don't know if you have spares that you can use for it, but it's something that I want to point out because the current point of connection configuration needs to change in order to connect to those unit one and that. Thank you.
So, one good thing to start with is an SD, a single line diagram, not with all the protection and everything, but at least so we can comment on it and bring our comments to it on how you can and what is specifically needed from the main power equipment from the protection side.
I know that after we fix the equipment that is needed, we can add to it everything else, like cities if we need. So, some of them or the breaker doesn't have it. Or if we need some specific panels to protect those generators or transformers.
Speaker 12 | 52:04
Made the equipment and everything else. Yeah.
Speaker 4 | 52:07
But at least have your main SLD with all the switches, breakers, everything that you need to be able to, in the future, add the production to it.
Speaker 5 | 52:20
Okay, thank you. And I do have a couple more items. So, the insurance and bond requirements. I know this information was put into the RFP process, and it might have been an addendum to the process, but a couple of items...
Miguel will need to make sure that is all complete. Now, I can start the process here again. I can pass these drawings over to our insurance department, but we need to make sure those items are complete. I don't know. Is David Monasterrio there in the room?
I think he was going to attend in person.
Speaker 13 | 52:53
Yes. I the remark.
Speaker 5 | 52:55
I would you like to talk about interconnection? That's another item I have on my list that we have to make sure they go through that process.
Speaker 13 | 53:04
Yeah. In general, this is an interconnection studies B interconnection facilities studies from your side and from our side. Then, potentially, network upgrades outside the substations and making sure that the PO is taking into consideration the responsibility of payment for those facilities and distributing them accordingly. Where it be our expectations for the interconnection facilities and network upgrades, or if the ratepayers are going to pay for some of it.
But of course.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 53:45
MA has not budgeted that those amounts. I know we talked about this and.
Speaker 13 | 53:51
And then that all goes into the interconnection agreement.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 53:54
Yeah. Any upgrades on the internet connection side will be negotiated with our expectations and we coordinated with BER if any new upgrades need to happen to the interconnection points or to the substations.
Speaker 6 | 54:16
So I'm trying to understand, I'm not. Is it David, I'm not sure who is speaking, but are we talking about 230 KV network upgrades potential?
Speaker 13 | 54:32
We're talking about all network upgrades outside the point of interconnection. So that's right. So terminology is pointed interconnection, both resource provider side and LUMA side, and then network upgrades is anything outside of there.
Speaker 6 | 54:48
Right? So, I mean, that is my understanding. Network upgrades typically would be away from the 200/30kV switchyard and on the system total. I mean, the capacity that's being added here is less than the original capacity of the power station.
It would be interesting to me to see what kind of network upgrades are required in that scenario. What we would be used to seeing is that if you are adding capacity past the initial design, you would potentially be looking at network upgrades and on the system away from the 200 and 30kV switchyard. We understand the need for protection and maybe some additional items that need to be added at certain points. As far as breakers, CTs, and PTs, I understand that very well, but that's all local. Not on the system total.
If we were surprised if there are system upgrades required, and in a scenario where again, the capacity being added at this location is less than the initial capacity of the power plant, Gary power station.
Speaker 10 | 56:00
It's Raphael. I'll just step in for a second. So, I think you're correct. Is that Thomas?
Speaker 6 | 56:09
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 10 | 56:12
That being said, we did do preliminary studies before the RFP went out to evaluate how much capacity is available at the different spots on the system to help the different proponents to develop their proposal.
I think the point is we're still going to have to look at it a little bit more in detail. If there are constraints or there's going to be a real issue on the system, we don't expect to have that, but the system is now what it was many years ago, so we're still going to have to look into it, right, as part of the process.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 56:57
Alright.
Speaker 5 | 56:59
Okay. And then Miguel, just to confirm this ties into the conversation we just had about the costs that Luma needs to bear to do the interconnection. We've been doing the engineering, these meetings, but as we go, let's say, to the site visits and the coordination we need to do with power expectations and any equipment we might need to install, that would be covered, right? Again, this is additional to what MA has in its plans. All of this work.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 57:29
Yes, but not by our expectations. I'm guessing that would be covered by... I'm saying that the added to the E-Lums research plan, basically.
Speaker 5 | 57:46
ABCA. Are you talking like.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 57:48
I'm guessing they'll be coordinated with B on this point, to see to make sure that Luma Mac can and can be able to cover those costs.
Speaker 10 | 58:08
Okay, Miguel, I sense that it's a little bit of a delicate topic. Maybe it's part of your ongoing negotiation with our expectation that you're doing... I think the message that we're sending is this is something that Luma does not have to... In our plan to cover, or in our contractual obligations, a source of funding is going to need to be provided for us to collaborate and perform that work, whatever that source is.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 58:38
Okay. I will look into that and reach out individually to you guys to see what we're going to cover it for. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 5 | 58:48
Thank you, Raphael.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 58:51
Any else, persona.
Speaker 5 | 58:53
No topics covered, thanks. Right, in my end at least.
Speaker 2 | 58:58
So make we're clear, system upgrades are not our expectation.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 59:04
Okay. The outside transformer. It is your responsibility to get to that transmission, right from there if any upgrade needs to be done. Like Raphael said, they're not expecting that. It was designed to handle that kind of power, it's not what it was, and we look into that, but that's not... Any questions?
Speaker 12 | 59:40
No, I think we're okay. We just started to Yaml's point, the single line diagram. I think we can start if you have something we can start get.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 59:48
Okay, Thomas. So they're going to need the single A diagrams for the.
Speaker 12 | 59:53
The connection from.
Speaker 4 | 59:55
All the connections all the way to the 02:30.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 59:59
Okay, including all the breakers and all the breaker switches.
Speaker 4 | 01:00:04
Everything is it is everything that you're going to install.
Speaker 12 | 01:00:11
And out the equipment, existing equipment. We're looking to utilize it so we can provide some comments on those as well that can be detailed on the units on the other side as well.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:00:25
The combined cycle.
Speaker 12 | 01:00:26
Combined cycles as well as the MPP and all that. So we have to see because, as I mentioned earlier, that's a lot of upgrades we'll have to do over there. They'll have to do our exp, that's just my opinion for the combined cycles.
Speaker 6 | 01:00:45
We look forward to the really tight coordination with the engineering team, Loom and Hanera, as George was mentioning, whether it's coordination protection, whatever the requirements may be at some level, there needs to be probably a more detailed exchange of information on both sides. I don't know if, George or Jason, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know if we have the detail of one line of the power station right now, do we guys.
Speaker 7 | 01:01:17
We have the segments shown in this drawing. We've got this interaction at the combined cycle at the block, and then we've got the single line here. But we need a full drawing so we can understand the correlation between the two systems.
But you're right. I mean, after everything's solidified, we're going to all come back together and put all our technical expertise to make sure that everything works together as it should. And protection are
the way they need to be. We just got to get past this step first.
Speaker 6 | 01:01:53
Our expectation would be that again, there would be a detailed exchange of information that would then lead into the phased engineering completion as you guys were describing, and that would occur after that,
and the deal is closed.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:02:11
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 6 | 01:02:12
Not before.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:02:14
I don't think Loom has the Loom have that information they can share.
Speaker 12 | 01:02:21
We would have the Switchyard information, but we don't have, I don't think we have... I would like to provide.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:02:28
Over. Okay. So we'll have to go in with Hanera. Loom doesn't have that information for the combined cycle, and I can coordinate that. Thomas and we're going to do a short meeting with them online so they can share the information that you need.
Speaker 6 | 01:02:44
I'm not necessarily saying we need that prior to the deal closing at some point. We will need that, Yes.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:02:52
That's why I said the purpose of this meeting. I think we're going to have a lot of technical questions, and you know, this project, all the projects change, but I want to get the major hurdles, the big stuff out of the way.
Yeah, we have enough or it does this project make sense to move forward? That's what we need to figure out here. I know that everybody here has its own expertise in every little detail area, and everybody wants their needs better because that's why you're here.
But this is not going to be the first or the last meeting we're going to have on this topic. We just want to see if this can move forward, but we can actually get to those technical, very specific meetings that we're going to have to go to the field. We're gonna have to go and sit down and probably run some through some papers in a period to see if we can actually find something on those old units and anything that's there.
So having that said, does anybody have any other questions, you know, very concerns or anything else that needs to be discussed in this initial meeting.
Speaker 14 | 01:04:17
We [Laughter] get from the engineering.
Speaker 4 | 01:04:25
Going back to.
Speaker 12 | 01:04:28
One second, one.
Speaker 14 | 01:04:29
Second. I think that it's important the sooner we can get like a dinner arrangement with additional information and that. Sl DI would call it actually I would ask for their protection SLD.
Well, we call the SLP and the rndom memory and the protection the ter. We can review it, you know, and make sure that we get a like. Okay.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:04:52
Perfect. I want to move this to bread. So if possible, even one second, he EE the want to move as quickly as possible.
Fabian Velez | 01:04:58
Okay.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:05:04
So I don't want to put a strain on powers to do additional work if you know the prep is going to come from back with more expectations or where.
Fabian Velez | 01:05:14
Yes.
Speaker 14 | 01:05:15
My phone is that we haven't really.
Speaker 7 | 01:05:17
We haven't really.
Speaker 14 | 01:05:17
Reviewed this in the past. Now we need it to get at each other. You know that you said that devil.
Speaker 12 | 01:05:24
Meet the road sooner.
Speaker 8 | 01:05:29
Yes, thank you, Marcella. I just wanted to make sure that you guys include the fiber optic cable for the communication and as part of the design. And I read in the proposal that you were considering radio links to a centralized monitoring system and that will not be a possibility.
So just fiber optic communication will be allowed.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:06:02
We do it both ways.
Speaker 4 | 01:06:05
The three points in the tic, the metering side.
Speaker 12 | 01:06:09
Yeah, where we got to talk about the metering as well. I think you want to have an R site as well, right? I think yeah. And the 02:30 go. So we have to find a location. Will be put in the PCS and CRIS for.
Speaker 6 | 01:06:20
I think what we had discussed previously on... I don't remember if this was June or July when we did the first walk-through. Is that given the timeline on the high voltage metering that we may have some type of workaround on the medium voltage side that we use until that high voltage metering is available.
So we'll look at whatever works for MA on how to make that happen. I'm misrepresenting that, George.
Speaker 7 | 01:06:51
That's what we discussed. It was a coast to sewer. We were having that conversation with them. And just like you said, the long lead items for the 115 kV over there or 230 here or a year or more. We would meet her at...
If you're 34 or 5 over there or 2045 here.
Fabian Velez | 01:07:11
Zero four.
Speaker 7 | 01:07:12
13 Much more reasonable. Easier to get mirrors and schemes and then work to make everybody comfortable with that until the others canc.
Speaker 12 | 01:07:26
Maybe looking over and see... I think what they're proposing is on their side. Put a mirror rain whether we be comfortable or not. Then we want to have while we wait for the pics and CRIS that are coming here.
And maybe there are... There may be a time because I think the time.
Speaker 7 | 01:07:47
We were just looking for the fastest path.
Speaker 6 | 01:07:49
The power would be that and the medium voltage meter would have to meet your standards and again that would be in place until the high voltage meter and the permanent solution was in place.
Speaker 12 | 01:08:02
We will have the solution, I think, but in between something right.
Speaker 6 | 01:08:13
We look forward to that. Okay, anything else? That's it from our side, I think we're ready.
Speaker 7 | 01:08:30
Just got a pack of bading. [Laughter] Haven't had an infanada in like three three.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:08:39
Monthsmer so get prepared for that.
Speaker 12 | 01:08:44
Beautiful. I know.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:08:47
Everybody's time. We will continue this. We'll schedule another meeting. So I think this project is going to go directly to B as it is now. So they can start evaluating once they get the go ahead. Then we'll schedule the very specific technical details. Promise. We can get together.
Maybe later this week with. Start asking for the information that you need.
Speaker 6 | 01:09:17
Okay? And we look forward to getting to work, closing this to and getting to work.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:09:23
So do I. [Laughter].
Speaker 6 | 01:09:26
All right, thank you.
mgarcia@recomspr.net | 01:09:28
Thank.
Speaker 5 | 01:09:28
You. you. Bye, thanks everybody. Reta.